Notebook Weekly Meetings Nov 2021 - Dec 2022

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Here is a record of the agenda/minutes for the Notebook weekly meeting, happening 30 minutes before the weekly JupyterLab meeting.

• When: Wednesdays 8:30 am Pacific Time
• Where: jovyan Zoom
• What: Meeting notes

During the last meeting, we discussed posting the notes on a new issue in the team compass. Here is the record of these notes.

Feel free to comment here if you think the issue should be open somewhere else.

Meeting Notes

• 14 December 2022
• 07 December 2022
• 30 November 2022
• 23 November 2022
• 16 November 2022
• 09 November 2022
• 02 November 2022
• 26 October 2022
• 19 October 2022
• 12 October 2022
• 05 October 2022
• 29 September 2022
• 21 September 2022
• 14 September 2022
• 07 September 2022
• 31 August 2022
• 24 August 2022
• 17 August 2022
• 10 August 2022
• 03 August 2022
• 27 July 2022
• 20 July 2022
• 13 July 2022
• 06 July 2022
• 29 June 2022
• 22 June 2022
• 15 June 2022
• 08 June 2022
• 01 June 2022
• 25 May 2022
• 18 May 2022
• 11 May 2022
• 4 May 2022
• 27 April 2022
• 20 April 2022
• 13 April 2022
• 06 April 2022
• 30 March 2022
• 23 March 2022
• 16 March 2022
• 09 March 2022
• 02 March 2022
• 23 February 2022
• 16 February 2022
• 09 February 2022
• 02 February 2022
• 26 January 2022
• 19 January 2022
• 12 January 2022
• 05 January 2022
• 15 December 2021
• 08 December 2021
• 01 December 2021
• 24 November 2021
• 17 November 2021
• 10 November 2021

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Originally opened as jupyterlab/frontends-team-compass#133 by @jtpio, migration requested by @Zsailer

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@jtpio commented: ## November 10, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
tony fast	quansight	@tonyfast
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Rick McGeer	engageLively	@rickmcgeer
Frederic Collonval	QuantStack	@fcollonval
Peter Wang	Anaconda	@pzwang
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith
Jessica Xu	Quansight	@jess-x

agenda

• define new goals for the meeting
• discuss the merge strategy for legacy classic and retro
  • where to handle discussions knowing we're replacing one technology with another.
  • Technical steps/questions
    • Do we move retrolab into jupyter/notebook?
    • Dis-entangling NBClassic, JupyterLab, and Notebook
      • NBClassic depends on Notebook and JupyterLab depends on NBClassic.
      • Making RetroLab become Notebook 7.x forces JupyterLab to drop NBClassic as dependency or NBClassic drops it's notebook dependency.
      • Pin nbclassic to 6.x.
• create issues and organize the project board Notebook v7
• status updates - goals, blockers, availability

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@jtpio commented: ## November 17, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
tony fast	quansight	@tonyfast
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Peter wang	Anaconda	@pzwang
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Sylvain Corlay	QuantStack	@SylvainCorlay
Frederic Collonval	QuantStack	@fcollonval
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer

agenda

• where do meeting notes go?
  • add an issue to the team-compass "notebook weekly minutes"
• issue tag for sunrise related tasks
  • reusing tag:Feature Parity
• transfer organizations
  • jupyter/notebook is the repo for the notebook package
  • transfer classic jupyter/notebook to the jupyterlab organization jupyterlab/frontends-team-compass#132
• update on pre release work
  • blocked on dependencies
• update on communications work (eg issues, issue templates)
• Notebook 7 JEP draft updates, governance updates

new pull requests and issues

• Enable scrolling outputs by default: Enable auto scrolling for outputs by default jupyterlab/retrolab#288
  • Something that should go in JupyterLab (feature parity with classic)
  • Might be a blocker for adoption for Data 8

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@jtpio commented: ## November 24, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
tony fast	quansight	@tonyfast
Rick McGeer	engageLively	@rickmcgeer
Isabela Presedo-Floyd	Quansight Labs	@isabela-pf
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Frederic Collonval	QuantStack	@fcollonval
Sylvain Corlay	QuantStack	@SylvainCorlay
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith

agenda

• [DRAFT] JEP for Notebook v7

• Frederic: JupyterLab 3.x or 4.0 for notebook 7 issue
  Currently RetroLab (to-be notebook 7) is based on lab 3.x branch. But some new features will be needed for it:

  • Customize widget position to fit with notebook layout
  • Add cells toolbar ([TBC] bringing jlab-enhanced-cell-toolbar in Lab)
  • Add tour (bringing jupyterlab-tour in Lab)
    Cons for 3.x
  • If we do a release 3.x for it, this will strip more reasons to update to JLab 4.
  • If it is linked to 4, this avoid releasing notebook 8 after JLab 4 😉
  • An excuse for extensions authors to modify their extension to be compatible because the API has changed.
    Pros for 3.x
  • Less breaking changes?

  [Afshin] it makes sense regarding the amount of work to be done for notebook v7 that it will be based on JLab 4. Moreover it will be better to not annoy extension authors that just got converted to NPM world to modify again their extensions because we bumped the major version.

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@jtpio commented: ## December 1, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
tony fast	quansight	@tonyfast
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
R Ely	Bloomberg	@ohrely
Gabriel Fouasnon	Quansight	@gabalafou
Theodore Aptekarev	No org 🤷‍♂️	@piiq
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Isabela Presedo-Floyd	Quansight Labs	@isabela-pf
Fabio Pliger	Anaconda	@fpliger

agenda

• Prepare nbclassic for Notebook 7.
  1. nbclassic the classic notebook ui running on jupyter server
     • Release Notebook static/templates under a separate package (possible on NPM).
  2. nbclassic automatically shims config
     • Copy traits from jupyter/notebook's NotebookApp into nbclassic package
  3. no nbclassic
     • No changes needed
• Drop old notebook traitlets shim from JupyterLab?

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@Zsailer commented: ## December 8th, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith
Loic Huder	ESRF	@loichuder
Fabio Pliger	Anaconda	@fpliger
Brian Granger	AWS	@ellisonbg
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Piyush Jain	AWS	@3coins
Sylvain Corlay	QuantStack	@SylvainCorlay

There were ~5 others in the meeting that we're captured in this list.

agenda

• From last week

  • Please comment on the following issues if you have opinions.
  • Prepare nbclassic for Notebook 7.
    • Discussion opened here: The future of nbclassic nbclassic#81
  • Drop old notebook traitlets shim from JupyterLab?
    • Question: remove classic notebook server traitlets shim? jupyterlab/jupyterlab#11612

• Jupyter Notebook v7 Enhancement Proposal

  • Entered voting phase this past week
  • Open discussion on the guiding principles for Notebook v7
    • Some voiced the following concern
      • As currently written, there appears to be a tilt towards favoring a "future" experience over preserving the current Notebook experience.
    • A proposed alternative: "Any user facing difference in behavior from V6 is bug".
      • Are we willing to make this strong of a statement?
        • There was concern raised about the strength of this claim.
      • Looking 5 years out, a vast majority of our users are not using Jupyter today.
        • Who do we optimize for—today's users or tomorrow's users?
    • Keep in mind, the spirit of the JEP is captured by the last principle.
      • "Have we done everything possible to minimize the experience gap for users of Notebook v6 (while recognizing, given other constraints, that we can't always eliminate it completely)?"
      • In specific cases mentioned—i.e. accessibility, maintainability, and security—we cannot optimize for user experience gap between v6 and v7.
  • Notes about voting and discussion.
    • JEP is in final round of comments.
    • Complete concensus is not a requirement for JEP approval.
    • The Steering Council's vote determines the outcome.
    • Final comments should happen before December 13th.

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@jtpio commented: ## December 15th, 2021

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
David Brochart	QuantStack	@davidbrochart
Fabio Pliger	Anaconda	@fpliger
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Michal Krassowski	Oxford	@krassowski
Craig Citro	Google	@craigcitro
Gabriel Fouasnon	Quansight	@gabalafou
Sylvain Corlay	QuantStack	@SylvainCorlay

agenda

• Accessibility hands on workshop tomorrow @ 9am PST
• [name=Zach]
  • Current status of the JEP:
    • 10 yes, 1 no, 3 abstain, 4 absent.
    • What is needed to pass?
  • Need some clarity from last week's discussion:
    • Question from last week: Can Notebook v6 be installed in the same environment as Notebook v7?
      • Polled some people since last week, and the answers were mixed.
    • If not, I think we should provide clear messaging in Notebook v7 (client-side and in terminal)
      • how to downgrade back to Notebook v6 if absolutely needed
      • where to report changes that break workflows.
    • Upgrading to Notebook v7 is not really an opt-in action.
      • Most people call pip install notebook without an explicit version pin.
      • Defaults to Notebook v7 (not necessarily a problem)
      • Users have to opt-out to get the Notebook v6 experience.
      • Darian's opinion: I think we should allow security patches to notebook v6 but no other releases that add features or even really bug fixes unless they are truly trivial. I think nbclassic should be deprecated. This is my opinion but it did seem to be shared at the last governance call where I brought up the subject. I just don't want to attach other names to ideas I wrote down off the cuff.
    • When do we cut a pre-release?
      • As soon as the JEP is merged.
      • This is low risk, because pip install --pre is an explicit, opt-in action.

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@jtpio commented: ## January 5th, 2022

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Isabela Presedo-Floyd	Quansight Labs	@isabela-pf
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
David Brochart	QuantStack	@davidbrochart
Kevin Bates	IBM	@kevin-bates
Frederic Collonval	QuantStack	@fcollonval

agenda

• JEP accepted!
• Remove Bower dependency PR in jupyter/notebook (get bower dependencies from npm notebook#6213)
• nbviewer.org home page still has many broken links (nbviewer#826)
• pre release

  • next version of nbclassic

  • retrolab

  • what is the dependency problem with nbclassic and retrolab?

    • The future of nbclassic nbclassic#81

  • how to pre-release?
    there are 2 goals:

    1. get a pre release sooner than later
    2. cut a proper pre release in a few months

    we'll start a discussion around zachs proposed solution, and go from there.

    • from notebook
      • add retrolab as a dependency to notebook using entry points

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@jtpio commented: ## January 12th, 2022

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Sylvain Corlay	QuantStack	@SylvainCorlay
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Gabriel Fouasnon	Quansight	@gabalafou
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Carlos Herrero	QuantStack	@hbcarlos
Craig Citro	Google	@craigcitro

agenda

• pre release issue Pre-release plan for Notebook v7 notebook#6266
  • endpoints need to be shuffled
  • rename retrolab to notebook-7 (temporarily)?
  • put retrolab and notebook 6.x in separate branches of jupyter/notebook repo.
• Notebook maintenance:
  • Releasing 6.4.7 as we speak
  • CSS regression from after switching to sanitize-html
  • Thanks to Mike for helping debug!
• Software Steering Council + decision-making body for Notebook Subproject
• bower replacing npm pr still open
  • good thing for anaconda to work on?

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@jtpio commented: ## January 19th, 2022

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith
Damián	2i2c & MADS	@damianavila

agenda

• decision-making body update
• pre-release
  • Created a 6.4.x branch in jupyter/notebook
  • master branch becomes retrolab via a PR
    * Should we rename master to main? ☑️
  • Some work started in the RetroLab repo to get the CI checks to pass: Prepare for Notebook v7 jupyterlab/retrolab#323
  • Blocker? Drop nbclassic in JupyterLab: Question: remove classic notebook server traitlets shim? jupyterlab/jupyterlab#11612
    • Or implement option 2 mentioned in The future of nbclassic nbclassic#81 (comment) to move the shims to a separate package
• We need a team-compass repo. What do you think of github/jupyter/notebook-team-compass as the URL?
• Need help with Notebook 6.
  • Issue Triaging; let's label all issue with "Notebook 6"?
  • Dropping bower; Anaconda team can possibly pick this up once they get a team up and running.
  • Community workshop for issue triaging

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@jtpio commented: ## January 26th, 2022

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
Kevin Goldsmith	Anaconda	@kevingoldsmith
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Fabio Pliger	Anaconda	@fpliger
Kevin Bates	IBM	@kevin-bates
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Nick Bollweg	Georgia Tech	@bollwyvl

agenda

• Jupyter Notebook Team Compass Page is live!

  • https://github.com/jupyter/notebook-team-compass/

• Created notebook_shim this last week: https://github.com/jupyterlab/notebook_shim

  • Nbclassic currently does two major things
    1. Shim config and traits from notebook to jupyter_server
    2. Adds notebook handlers
  • This new package handles (1).
  • Allows JupyterLab to drop its indirect dependency on the notebook package.

• Decision-making body update -- relevant to team-compass update

  • team compass will need to be update with members
  • onboarding first team members: Onboarding first Notebook Team members #4

• JupyterLab/Notebook triage meeting

  • https://hackmd.io/HaQ3S_nPSbqaRtk9rj59iA
  • references
    • https://www.kubernetes.dev/docs/guide/issue-triage/
    • https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/project/ISSUE-TRIAGE.md
    • JupyterLab triage guidelines

• MathJax3: Switch to Mathjax 3 nbconvert#1706

[tonyfast]

February 2, 2022

attendees

name	org	username
tonyfast	quansight	@tonyfast
Zach Sailer	Apple	@Zsailer
Kevin Bates	IBM	@kevin-bates
Jason Weill	AWS	@jweill-aws
Jeremy Tuloup	QuantStack	@jtpio
Fabio Pliger	Anaconda	@fpliger
Damián Avila	2i2c & MADS	@damianavila
A. T. Darian	Two Sigma	@afshin

agenda

• Pre-release

  • JupyterLab 4.0
  • Notebook Shim https://github.com/jupyterlab/notebook_shim
    • notebook shim has a subset of nbclassic dependencies. it features the backend parts of nbclassic.
  • Drop nbclassic in in favor of notebook_shim (dropping the dependency on notebook) JupyterLab 4.0: Drop nbclassic, depend on notebook_shim jupyterlab/jupyterlab#11894
  • What happens when endpoints collide? Are there warnings?
    • Open a Jupyter Server issue to handle this problem. It should handle this issue.

• Triage meeting tomorrow

  • https://hackmd.io/HaQ3S_nPSbqaRtk9rj59iA

• Project board - how can we use this effectively for the release?

Jason W

• Left/right panel item has been in WIP for a while — next steps?

• Berkeley Data8 Class (1500 students) is now using RetroLab as the default interface (source = Yuvi)